JASPER JOTTINGS Week 03 - 2013 January 20    

Jasper Jottings - The achievement journal of my fellow Jaspers, the alumni of the Manhattan College



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POSITRACTION: Futurist Thomas Frey calls attention to "prisons"


January 4th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
When Prisons Become Illegal
Futurist Thomas Frey

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Restorative justice is an approach to justice that focuses on the needs of the victims and the offenders, as well as the surrounding community.

Crime is a larger issue than just how government deals with criminals. Since crime victims and the community bear the brunt of the crime, they too must be actively involved in the criminal justice process.

Currently, many victims feel re-victimized by the criminal justice system itself because it excludes them from most of the process. Using a different approach, with restorative justice victims take an active role in the process, while offenders are encouraged to take responsibility for their actions, “to repair the harm they’ve done—by apologizing, returning stolen money, or community service”.

Restorative justice asks that victim’s concerns be considered throughout the process. Victims need help regaining a sense of control over their lives, and they need to be compensated for their loss.

Rather than simply warehousing offenders, restorative justice holds offenders personally accountable. They need to confront the pain they have caused to their victims and take the steps necessary to overcome their criminal behavior.

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The USA has too many in prison.

Time to try something different.

As far as capital punishment, I'd restrict that to inmates that are too dangerous to put in prison.

Libertarians generally believe in restitution. And, we've been saying it for a while.

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JNEWS: McAndrew, Patrick H. [MC18?? RIP] story


Patrick H. McAndrew, Army surgeon
Jan. 7, 2013 5:12 pm

By Peter Becker
Managing Editor

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HAWLEY-Visitors at Arlington National Cemetery in Arlington, VA can find the resting place of a Hawley son, Patrick Henry McAndrew, who served as an Army surgeon in the Spanish American War.

A career military man, his life spanned the American Civil War to the end of World War II. His brother, also from Hawley, was Major General James W. McAndrew, who served as Chief of Staff to General Pershing in World War I.

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Perhaps he witnessed the craft at the feet of Dr. Curtis or Dr. Dingman and sensed his own calling.

We know that he graduated from Manhattan College in New York and the University of Pennsylvania Medical School, class of 1893.
In 1898 he was young and struggling physician in the City of Scranton, when the Spanish American War broke out. He was willing when the call came to serve his country.

We can only suppose that his brother James, two years his senior, may have served as an inspiration in Patrick's decison to follow a military career. James, who would one day serve as an Army general, had graduated from West Point in 1888, ten years before. In 1898, James was serving in the Santiago campaign in Cuba during the Spanish-American War.

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McAndrew, Patrick H. [MC18?? RIP]

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JHQ: Manhattan College in Paris


Manhattan College in Paris
A blog chronicling the Manhattan College MBA program in Paris.

Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Chartres and St. Malo
Today we woke up bright and early just in time to see the beautiful sunrise in Saint Malo. We headed back to Paris, but first we made a trip to the town of Chartres, where we took a tour of the beautiful cathedral that was created in the 15th century and holds some of the most intricate and stunning stain glass artwork and architecture standing today. We were able to explore the town after, eating some delicious crepes and shopping in souvenir boutiques along the strip of businesses in the quaint little town.

Tomorrow, we will be visiting the startup company that we will be working with in market entry for the remainder of the MBA project. We are ready to work and looking forward to using our Manhattan College minds to create some innovative solutions for this company.

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JUPDATE: McEneney, Mike (MC1953) ids Morse, Dorothea Marie Hespe [MC1973 RIP]

JOBIT: Morse, Dorothea Marie Hespe [MC1973 RIP]


Morse, Dorothea Marie Hespe [MC???? RIP]

Guestbook: http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/knoxnews/guestbook.aspx?n=dorothea-morse&pid=162294304&cid=full

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Dear John,

I believe that Dorothea received her Masters in 1973.

May She Rest In Peace.


McEneney, Mike (MC1953)

[JR: Thanks, Mike. Much appreciated.]

Morse, Dorothea Marie Hespe [MC1973 RIP]

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JEMAIL: Delaney, Gerard M. (MC1975) reports @alum still broken

Gerard M. Delaney
1:04 AM (12 hours ago)

I'll try the new distribution system. Just don't use the manhattan alumni address. Still doesn't work, and I don't know which sites I've given that e-mail to so I can change it.



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Delaney, Gerard M. (MC1975)

[JR: Thanks. McEneney, Mike (MC1953) doesn't like Google's presentation and Yahoo is still barfing on the "Rich Format" version. So I either have to get them to figure out what they changed, or come up with a work around. Argh! Or bite the bullet an go to Constant Contact or it's equivalent. Or just email what I can and the links. Argh!  ]

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PRAYERSREQUESTED: Colon, Philip J. (MC1962) reports need for a friend of Nason, John (MC1952)

Good Evening All,

John Nason asks for our prayers for a dear Friend who has been diagnosed with Stage 3 Colon Cancer. She is indergoing Chemo Treatments at N.Y. Presbyterian Hospital and of course she has her good days and bad days as she continues her battle to beat this Disease. Please keep her and her family in your prayers as we pray for complete recovery. Please keep the volume up. Thank you. God Bless.

Phil Colon

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Colon, Philip J. (MC1962)

Nason, John (MC1952)

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JLINKEDIN: Guido, John [MC2001] Director, Accounting at The Medicines Company


Guido, John [MC2001]
Director, Accounting at The Medicines Company
Greater New York City Area

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JNEWS: Veteri, Tony Jr. [MC1970] NFL official


Veteri talks about other life as NFL official
By Henry Meyler on January 11, 2013 in Sports

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Ridgeielder Tony Veteri Jr. has been an NFL official for 21 seasons.

For the past 21 seasons, Ridgefielder Tony Veteri Jr. has been part of officiating crews at National Football League, working as a head linesman and following in the footsteps of his late father, Tony Veteri Sr.

To many in Ridgefield, the younger Veteri is more well known as a physical education teacher at Veterans Park Elementary School. Henry Meyler, a fifth grader at Veterans Park, and a Ridgefield youth football player, recently interviewed Veteri to find out more about his “other life” as an NFL referee:

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Veteri, Tony Jr. [MC????]

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Dear John,

I believe that Tony is a member of the Class of 1970.


McEneney, Mike (MC1953)

[JR: Thanks, Mike. Much appreciated.]

Veteri, Tony Jr. [MC1970]

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JLINKEDIN: Coleman, Katie [MC2003] Program Manager, Lubin School of Business at Pace University


Coleman, Katie  [MC2003]
Program Manager, Lubin School of Business at Pace University
Greater New York City Area
Higher Education

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JOBIT: Polityka, Donald Edward [MC1963 RIP]

Dear John,

I believe that Donald is a member of the Class of 1963.

May He Rest In Peace.


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On 1/14/2013 10:43 AM, reinkefj  wrote:


Donald Edward Polityka

Polityka, Donald Edward

August 11, 1941 - January 11, 2013 Donald Edward Polityka (Don) passed away at Hospice of the Valley Eckstein Home on Friday, January 11th, 2013 at the age of 71, following a courageous two-and-a-half year battle with stage IV pancreatic cancer.

Don is predeceased by Jean Pohicky (mother) and Edward Polityka (father). He is survived by his loving wife, Barbara, of 49 years. They were married in New York on April 25th,1964. Don is lovingly remembered by his son, Christopher, of Phoenix, AZ, his sisters Jean Moro and Tammy Polityka, and his brother Stephen Polityka.

Don was born in the Bronx, NY in 1941. He graduated from Cardinal Hayes High School in 1959 and was the first in his family to go on and earn a bachelor's degree. He graduated from Manhattan College in 1963 and completed an MBA from the ASU WP Carey School of Business following their move to Arizona in 1972. Don worked for 32 years at Motorola Semiconductor in management and concurrently served in the Arizona Air National Guard retiring as a Lieutenant Colonel completing 20 years of service for his country. Don enjoyed gardening, hiking, skiing, baseball, basketball, and racquetball. Other interests included reading, music, nature walks, and prayer.

The visitation will be held at the Hansen Desert Hills Mortuary, located at 6500 E. Bell Rd. on Friday, January 18th from 5 to 7 PM. A rosary service will follow from 7 to 8 PM. The funeral mass will be held at St. Bernard of Clairvaux Catholic Church located at 10755 North 124th St. in Scottsdale on Saturday, January 19th at 10 AM with the Most Reverend Gordon D. Bennett, SJ presiding. In lieu of flowers, memorial donations may be made to the Seena Magowitz Foundation (a 501(c)(3) NPO), a leading pancreatic cancer foundation in the United States. Please visit www.hansenmortuary.com to submit online condolences.


Polityka, Donald Edward [MC???? RIP]

Guestbook: http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/azcentral/guestbook.aspx?n=donald-edward-polityka&pid=162305204&cid=full

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JOBIT: McSherry, Edward G. [MC1956 RIP]

Dear John,

Ed is a member of the Class of 1956. His daughter Maureen is a member of the Class of 1987.

May He Rest In Peace.


On 1/14/2013 10:41 AM, reinkefj wrote:


Edward G. McSherry (1934 - 2013)

McSherry, Edward G.

McSherry, Edward G., passed away on January 11, 2012 at age 78.

He was born in Bound Brook, New Jersey, the son of the late John T. and Grace L. McSherry. He grew up in the Woodlawn section of the Bronx and graduated from All Hallows High School and Manhattan College. He also attended St. Joseph's Seminary and New York University.

He was a member of the Seventh Regiment (Army Reserve) of New York. He retired from IBM in 1990 after 32 years of service in various management and staff positions in Personnel and Marketing.

His family and his church were most important to him. Surviving him are his loving and devoted wife of 48 years, Eileen M. (nee Harkins) McSherry, his children; Maureen A. (Domenick) Turchioe of Valhalla; his sons: John M. (Helena) of Bronxville; Christopher E. (Kathleen) of Bedford, New Hampshire; and Brian V. (Jennifer) of New York City. Loving Grandfather to Matthew, Daniel and Molly Turchioe; Emily, Christopher, Michael, Sean, Jack, Grace, Emma and Ava McSherry. Predeceased by his sister Grace M. and his brother John W.

A daily communicant at the Church of the Annunication, Crestwood; for several years he was trustee of the Parish, Past President of the Holy Name Society, Past President of the Parents Association of Annunciation School, a member of the financial committee, an usher and Eucharistic minister. He was also Vice President of the Parents Association of Maria Regina High School, an executive member of the Mens Club at Iona Prep, a Vice President of the Men's Retreats and a member of the financial committee of the Cardinal Spellman Retreat House in Riverdale and was a retreatant at Bishop Malloy Retreat House in Jamaica, Queens. He was a trustee of the Blessed Mother Counsel of the Knights of Columbus in Crestwood.

Visitation will be at the McGrath Funeral Home, Bronxville on Monday, January 14, from 6 -9 and Tuesday, January 15, from 2-4 and 7-9. A Concelebrated Mass of the Christian Burial will be on Wednesday, January 16, at 10:00 AM at the Church of the Annunciation, Westchester Ave., Crestwood. Burial will follow at Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Mount Pleasant. Memorial contributions may be made to All Hallows High School, 111 East 164th Street, Bronx, New York, 10452, Attn. Mr. Paul Krebbs.

Published in the The Journal News on January 14, 2013


McSherry, Edward G. [MC1956 RIP]

Guestbook: http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/lohud/guestbook.aspx?n=edward-mcsherry&pid=162358169&cid=full

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McSherry, Maureen [MC1987]

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JLINKEDIN: LaRocca, Michael [MC1989] AVP at Tokio Marine


LaRocca, Michael [MC1989]
AVP at Tokio Marine
Greater New York City Area

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JOBIT: Borella, Edward J. [MC???? RIP] reported by Van Name, John (MC1970)


I'm not sure what your procedure is for reporting the passing of our alums.

I offer you the email thread on Ed's rapid illness and passing.

Thank you for the great service you perform for all of us.

John Van Name '70

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[JR: Just let me know and the news will be passed along.]

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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:43:15 +0000 (GMT)

I'm sorry to tell you that Ed passed away today. It is unbelievable that last Sunday we were watching the Giants and today we are planning his funeral. He was special. He put up a valiant fight but it just wasn't to be. Say a prayer for Ed and for those of us left behind who loved him.

I am attaching the details for the wake and service. Aquebogue is very far for some of you. I would love to see you all but if it is too far -please have a glass of wine ( red is his favorite) and remember one great guy.





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Sent: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:05 pm

Subject: Ed

The report was about as bad as could be. Ed suffered multiple devastating strokes. I'm trying my best to get this info out to as many people as I can while trying to process this information. Please give me a little time to get myself together. Keep the prayers coming. Lynn

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Date: January 1, 2013, 6:35:00 PM EST

Subject: Pray for Ed

This is Lynn. This is a very hard email to write. Monday Ed awoke with the worst headache he ever had and was extremely dizzy. He was sort of out of it. I called 911 and we took him to Peconic Bay Hosp where they did a cat scan. There was blood in his brain so they transported him to Stony Brook Hosp where they had a neurologist waiting for us.He was in surgery for over three hours. They removed part of his skull to relieve the pressure. They called it a brain bleed. Of course, the blood thinners only made things worse.  He is in a medically induced coma. After a few days they will try to bring him out of the coma. Then we will have a better idea of where he stands. Ed is gravely ill.

I know everyone sends him good thoughts and when I have a better idea of where we are going I will try to update all his friends.

I'm in and out of the house so an e mail is better for communicating than the phone. I will try to keep you informed. Lynn

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Death Notice or In Memoriam

BORELLA - EDWARD J., 62 of Aquebogue, on January 6th. Beloved husband of Linda (nee Marcogliese). Loving father of Erica (Michael) DiAngelo ofMassapequa Park andChristopher (Lisa) Borella ofLevittown. Adored grandfather of Nathan DiAngelo and Derek Borella. Brother of Linda (David) Hershman of Forest Hills. Volunteer with SPAT in Southold.Memorial Visitation Friday 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. at the McLaughlin Heppner Funeral Home, 336Marcy Avenue, Riverhead. Memorial Service Saturday, 11 a.m. at Old Steeple Community Church, Main Rood, Aquebogue. In lieu of flowers, contributions to Guide Dog Foundation, 371 East Jericho Turnpike, Smithtown, NY 11787.

Published in Newsday on January 9, 2013


Borella, Edward J. [MC???? RIP]

Guestbook: http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/newsday/guestbook.aspx?n=edward-borella&pid=162244818&cid=full

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JNEWS: Stan Puszcz (MC1985) forms CP Engineers, LLC



Stan Puszcz (MC1985) and his two partners, have formed an engineering firm - CP Engineers, LLC, which also acquired certain assets of Cerenzio & Panaro, P.C. The firm provides Engineering and environmental services in sanitary wastewater, stormwater, water (supply, treatment, storage and distribution), site/civil engineering, MEP and Structural engineering, and environmental science.

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PRAYERSREQUESTED: Colon, Philip J. (MC1962) passes along more requests

Good Evening All,

Mike McEneney has shared some prayer requests. We have been praying for Theresa (87 years old). This morning, after her hip surgery,Theresa, suffered a heart attack. Please keep Theresa and her family in your prayers. The heart attack was severe and at this time we do not know the prognosis as we pray for complete recovery.

Please also pray for the repose of the soul of, Ed McSherry ' 56, who died this past Friday. Ed and Mike's Brother, Ed McEneney, were close friends since their days at St. Barnabas Elementary School in the Bronx. Mr. McSherry's Daughter, Maureen is Class of ' 87. Please keep Mr. McSherry, his Daughter, their family and friends in your prayers during this difficult time.

Thank you. God Bless.

Phil Colon

Colon, Philip J. (MC1962)

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JFACEBOOK: Athanasidy Patrice Liquori (MC1988) does Pay It Forward

Patrice Liquori Athanasidy

This Pay It Forward stuff is fun. At Kohls, I mentioned that I forgot my coupon. Before the cashier could tell me that I could take a scratch off the woman ahead of me came back and asked if I could use hers--30%. I had left a 20% home. I decided to return the favor and give a young Mom with an almost 2 year old and another on the way my $10 Kohls cash. That would have cost me money if I tried to spend it anyway.

[JR: Funny how things work out!  ]

Athanasidy Patrice Liquori (MC1988)

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JLINKEDIN: Swift, Tom [MC????] IT Manager at Interstate Waste Services


Swift, Tom [MC????]
IT Manager at Interstate Waste Services
Greater New York City Area
Information Technology and Services

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JOBIT: Lowery, Edward D. [MC???? RIP]




Died at home on January 13, 2013, in Arlington, Virginia. A New York City native, he was the son of John and Eileen Lowry. He served in the U.S. Army during the Korean War. He graduated from Manhattan College and received his Ph.D. in American literature from New York University. He was a professor emeritus of Trinity Washington University, where he taught for roughly three decades. A specialist in American literature of the 1920s and 1930s, he also taught at Mary Washington College, Georgetown University, and Catholic University. Dr. Lowry was a devoted World War II buff and scale modeler, loved Big Band music, and was a friend of cats everywhere. He is survived by his wife, Susan, and his sons Robert and Richard, and will be missed by his daughter-in-law, Vanessa. A memorial service will be held at Trinity Presbyterian Church, 5533 16th St N, Arlington, Va., on Saturday, January 19, at 11 a.m.

Published in The Washington Post on January 16, 2013


Lowery, Edward D. [MC???? RIP]


Dear John,

I do not find anything in my 'stuff' for Edward.

May He Rest In Peace.


McEneney, Mike (MC1953)

[JR: Thanks, Mike. Much appreciated.]

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MTWITTER: "manhattan college" mentioned in tweet?

“@CSBoverheard: Benilde's new partnerships!! Manhattan College and California State University, Los Angeles. #AnimoBenilde #CSBOverheard”
by CamzCuerdo28 (Camz Cuerdo)

[JR: Go figure. No reference, no details?]

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JLINKEDIN: DiNapoli, Michael [MC1991] Sr. Vice President- Investments at UBS


DiNapoli, Michael [MC1991]
Sr. Vice President- Investments at UBS
Greater New York City Area
Financial Services

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MNEWS: MC Major Author Reading Series continues


Celebrated Authors To Visit Manhattan College on April 2 and 19
by ADMIN on 26 MARCH 2012 24 COMMENTS
Riverdale, NY (PRWEB) March 26, 2012

The fourth semester of Manhattan Colleges popular Major Author Reading Series (M.A.R.S.) resumes on April 2 with author Emma Straub, and Pulitzer-winning poet Claudia Emerson will follow on April 19.

Designed to engage and expose students to modern literature, M.A.R.S. has brought a variety of acclaimed writers to campus for readings and book signings, including Junot Diaz, winner of the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction for “The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao;” Jennifer Egan, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of “A Visit from the Goon Squad;” Rick Moody, award-winning novelist; Phillip Lopate, noted essayist; and Tina Chang, the poet laureate of Brooklyn.

Straub, author of “Other People We Married” and the forthcoming “Laura Lamonts Life in Pictures,” will read on April 2. A New York native, Straubs fiction and nonfiction have been published by Tin House, The Paris Review Daily, Slate, Cousin Corinnes Reminder and many other journals. She is currently a staff writer for Rookie magazine, and lives in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Lorrie Moore, author of “Birds of America” and “A Gate at the Stairs,” says of Straubs work, In these stories of grief, love, loss and transplantation, Emma Straub demonstrates her brilliance, her humor, her sharp observational powers, as well as her lyrical gifts and affection for the world. She is a terrific new talent.

On April 19, Claudia Emerson, winner of the 2006 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry for “Late Wife,” will wrap up the spring semesters M.A.R.S. series.

In addition to “Late Wife,” Emersons poetry collections include “Secure the Shadow;” “Figure Studies;” “Pharaoh, Pharaoh;” and “Pinion: An Elegy,” all in the Southern Messenger Poets series from LSU Press. Emerson was the Poet Laureate of Virginia from 2008-2010, and is a recipient of a Witter Bynner Fellowship from the Library of Congress. She is currently a professor of English and Arrington Distinguished Chair in poetry at the University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg, Va.

Poet Deborah Pope says of Emersons latest book “Secure the Shadow:” Like the estranged lover in one of her poems who pitches horseshoes in the dark with preternatural precision, so Emerson sends her words into a different kind of darkness with steely exactness, their arc of perception over and over striking true.

Both the April 2 and April 19 events start at 4:30 p.m. and will be held on campus in Hayden Hall, room 100, and are open to the public.

For more information about the M.A.R.S. series at Manhattan College, contact Adam Koehler, assistant professor of English, by email at adam.koehler@manhattan.edu or phone (718) 862-7546, or David Eye, visiting assistant professor of creative writing, by email at david.eye(at)manhattan(dot)edu or phone (718) 862-7921.

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JUPDATE: Ortiz, Cesar [MC2017]


Ortiz, Cesar [MC2017]

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JLINKEDIN: O'Keefe, Tony [MC1975] VP Sales & Marketing CAD Audio


O'Keefe, Tony [MC1975]
VP Sales & Marketing CAD Audio
Cleveland/Akron, Ohio Area


Highly motivated self-starter with over 25 years of sales management/marketing management experience in the professional audio industry. Established track record of identifying/resolving client concerns resulting in strong dealer relationships and increased sales and profitability. Strong work ethic, leadership skills, integrity, competitive spirit and high energy level to achieve results.


Sales Management / Marketing Management / Strategic Planning

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JTWITTER: Breen, Jerry (MC1971) tweeted: "Manti Te'o is …"

Breen, Jerry (MC1971) tweeted:

Manti Te'o is the runaway winner of the first annual Lance Armstrong Award for Lying in Sports!

[JR: Funny! Sad, but funny.]

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JLINKEDIN: Mulvey, John [MC1991] Sergeant at NYC Parks & Recreation


Mulvey, John [MC1991]
Sergeant at NYC Parks & Recreation
Greater New York City Area
Law Enforcement


The key strengths that I possess for success:
• Strong management and leadership skills
• Experience in managing, training and developing staff
• Dedicated and strong work ethic
• Independent thinker
• Strong oral, written and interpersonal skills
• Strong organizational skills
• Ability to analyze data and develop reports
• Detail oriented and the ability to multi task
• Ability to make competent decisions using common sense and discretion
• I am a self-starter and eager to learn new things
• Provide exceptional customer service for all customers


Security/Security assessments, Maritime Law Enforcement, Vessel Operation, Chef,Server,Restaurant,Tavern and Catering Management,Team Leadership, Customer Service, Marina Operations

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COMMENT: From McCarra-Fitzpatrick MaryAnn (MC1989) on MNEWS: MC Major Author Reading Series continues#

    I'll have to ask them when their "Minor" Author Series is, LOL!!

    MaryAnn McCarra-Fitzpatrick

    MaryAnn's e-book, "Metropolitan Diary" http://www.amazon.com/Metropolitan-Diary-ebook/dp/B0076NHGL0/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1328664177&sr=1-3 ...

McCarra-Fitzpatrick MaryAnn (MC1989)
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ENDNOTE: We seem never to learn anything

'So many people died'

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Pham To looked great for 78 years old (at least, that's about how old he thought he was). His hair was thin, gray, and receding at the temples, but his eyes were lively and his physique robust - all the more remarkable given what he had lived through. I listened intently, as I had so many times before to so many similar stories, but it was still beyond my ability to comprehend. It's probably beyond yours, too.

Pham To told me that the planes began their bombing runs in 1965 and that periodic artillery shelling started about the same time. Nobody will ever know just how many civilians were killed in the years after that. "The number is uncountable," he said one spring day a few years ago in a village in the mountains of rural central Vietnam. "So many people died."

And it only got worse. Chemical defoliants came next, ravaging the land. Helicopter machine gunners began firing on locals. By 1969, bombing and shelling were day-and-night occurrences. Many villagers fled. Some headed further into the mountains, trading the terror of imminent death for a daily struggle of hardscrabble privation; others were forced into squalid refugee resettlement areas. Those who remained in the village suffered more when the troops came through. Homes were burned as a matter of course. People were kicked and beaten. Men were shot when they ran in fear. Women were raped. One morning, a massacre by American soldiers wiped out 21 fellow villagers. This was the Vietnam War for Pham To, as for so many rural Vietnamese.

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There were a lot of casualties in this war.

It divided my Classmates into the joiners, the draftees, and the evaders. The joiners and draftees were lucky if they came back, I guess. They certainly were changed. Even the evaders didn't escape either; they changed too and some died cut off from friends and family. << DuBois, John [MC1968 RIP]>>

I've often thought about this since the "end". Even the Gulf of Tolkin story, McNamara admission, and all the anecdotal stories, just made me more sure that this was a "disaster" in so many dimensions.

The sad part is that we learned NOTHING!

The 70's anti-war movement, minus the Quakers, was all astroturf for the D's.

Drone warfare, with its "collateral damage", is … immoral.

The way "we" treat the retuning vets is also immoral.

Not paying the tab for all this and palming it off on future generations is immoral.

I just don't know how we fix it?

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